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Travelled on a very reduced day return with SAS recently and they informed
be: don't forget to cancel the reservation for the return leg if you
eventually don't use it
The legal case may vary from country to country but in my case the card
company can't charge me against my will for anything I haven't signed. Either way,
there is enough information logged to permit them to enforce it.
nbsp;
nbsp;And if I reported it as fraud to my cc co, what would happen?Bearing in
nbsp;mind that they would have to prove on the balance of probabilities that I
nbsp;did not make the journey back.68.'
nbsp;gt;
nbsp;* Is this an 'unfair contract term' which would be invalid?
nbsp;gt;
nbsp;* Could they legally (in the UK) charge my credit card for the
nbsp;difference, or would they have to sue me for it?
nbsp;gt;
nbsp;* Do they actually keep track of these things and try to enforce
nbsp;this?
nbsp;gt;
nbsp;* Has anyone tried it recently? What happened?
nbsp;gt;
nbsp;* Has this ever been tested in UK courts?
nbsp;gt;
nbsp;I don't know for sure, but I reckon this is unfair (maybe not in a a
nbsp;strict
nbsp;legal sense).I would suggest the retrospective charge could be claimed
nbsp;(by you) from the card issuer if they tried to charge you, and if they
nbsp;tried to sue you, what do they sue you for?They would have not made a
nbsp;loss (since you paid for two journeys, but you only used one, leaving them
nbsp;with spare capacity on the train).
nbsp;In message , Harry the Horse
nbsp;gt;writes
nbsp;gt;nightjar wrote:
nbsp;gt;A.uk.222.

The question is whether that is an unfair condition, in which case
Eurotunnel cannot enforce it. If the OP took *neither* the outward nor return
journey -- in other words, if he paid for the ticket and just didn't use
it at all -- presumably Eurotunnel would not then levy a surcharge, even
though you might argue that they had lost the opportunity to sell the
unused capacity at a higher price.France is shit.Melonwrote:

nbsp;I've noticed that offers some 'day returns' and
nbsp;'weekend specials' that are much cheaper than single from Dover to
nbsp;Calais, so I could save quite a bit of money by buying one of those,
nbsp;not using the return journey, and getting a single from Calais to
nbsp;Dover later.com.

Eurotunnel don't go from Dover! But see below .
nbsp;gt;gt;
nbsp;gt;gt;* Could they legally (in the UK) charge my credit card for the
nbsp;gt;gt;difference, or would they have to sue me for it?
nbsp;gt;gt;
nbsp;gt;If you have paid with a credit card, charging the debt to the card
nbsp;gt;would be the usual way to recover it.
nbsp;gt;* Could they legally (in the UK) charge my credit card for the
nbsp;gt;difference, or would they have to sue me for it?
nbsp;If you have paid with a credit card, charging the debt to the card
nbsp;would be the usual way to recover it. L.I would suggest the retrospective charge could be claimed
(by you) from the card issuer if they tried to charge you, and if they
tried to sue you, what do they sue you for?They would have not made a
loss (since you paid for two journeys, but you only used one, leaving them
with spare capacity on the train). They lost the chance of those potential earnings (from
selling high-price singles rather than reduced returns) when they agreed
to sell him a discount ticket in the first place.Melonwrote in
nbsp;news:8ad9bdb5fb453d114954ef61ea5b75dc@melontraffickers.
nbsp;* Has anyone tried it recently? What happened?
nbsp;
nbsp;* Has this ever been tested in UK courts?

skrev i meddelandet
news:b8u1qn$e7l$1@thorium.

You have deprived them of the earnings that they would have made had you not
broken this term of the contract.68.com.

A.

In article , news1@sjmaudsley.
nbsp;* Is this an 'unfair contract term' which would be invalid?
nbsp;gt;
nbsp;I doubt it, as you would be in breach of the conditions of the contract
nbsp;you
nbsp;have entered into with the company, that you would make both trips
nbsp;within a
nbsp;particular period.
nbsp;gt;
nbspO Ferries charge you more money if you pay cash, to get around that
nbsp;loophole, not sure bout the tunnel, it's way tooooooo expensive so I
nbsp;never use it.com:

nbsp;I've noticed that offers some 'day returns' and
nbsp;'weekend specials' that are much cheaper than single from Dover to
nbsp;Calais, so I could save quite a bit of money by buying one of those,
nbsp;not using the return journey, and getting a single from Calais to
nbsp;Dover later.
nbsp;The question is whether that is an unfair condition, in which case
nbsp;Eurotunnel cannot enforce it.
PO Ferries charge you more money if you pay cash, to get around that
loophole, not sure bout the tunnel, it's way tooooooo expensive so I
never use it.

A.

Johannes

wrote:

nbsp;If you have paid with a credit card, charging the debt to the card would
nbsp;be the usual way to recover it.Melonwrote in message
news:8ad9bdb5fb453d114954ef61ea5b75dc@melontraffickers. It only means that they can send you an invoice, followed
buy debt collection if they can prove it.
nbsp;* Is this an 'unfair contract term' which would be invalid?
nbsp;
nbsp;I doubt it, as you would be in breach of the conditions of the contract
nbsp;you
nbsp;have entered into with the company, that you would make both trips
nbsp;within a
nbsp;particular period.

On another group someone reported a case where they had done this (it may
have been a ferry rather than Eurotunnel, but same difference) and
received a warning letter asking them not to do it again. but IANAL

IANAL either, but.'
nbsp;gt;
nbsp;* Is this an 'unfair contract term' which would be invalid?
nbsp;gt;
nbsp;* Could they legally (in the UK) charge my credit card for the
nbsp;difference, or would they have to sue me for it?
nbsp;gt;
nbsp;* Do they actually keep track of these things and try to enforce this?
nbsp;gt;
nbsp;* Has anyone tried it recently? What happened?
nbsp;gt;
nbsp;* Has this ever been tested in UK courts?
nbsp;I don't know for sure, but I reckon this is unfair (maybe not in a a
strict
nbsp;legal sense).

But their TCs say 'For return bookings failure to complete both
outward and return journeys invalidates your booking and you will be
liable to pay for the journey completed, the difference the price and
the relevant applicable single fare.'

* Is this an 'unfair contract term' which would be invalid?

* Could they legally (in the UK) charge my credit card for the difference, or would they have to sue me for it?

* Do they actually keep track of these things and try to enforce this?

* Has anyone tried it recently? What happened?

* Has this ever been tested in UK courts?

Thanks.
nbsp;A.
nbsp;In article , nightjar ()
nbsp;wrote:
nbsp;gt;
nbsp;A. In what sense is that way tooooooo
expensive

In article ,
A.

Look at it another way.
nbsp;Eurotunnel don't go from Dover! But see below .

Had a day trip for 25 in March.
nbsp;But their TCs say 'For return bookings failure to complete both
nbsp;outward and return journeys invalidates your booking and you will be
nbsp;liable to pay for the journey completed, the difference the price and
nbsp;the relevant applicable single fare.Melonwrote in
news:8ad9bdb5fb453d114954ef61ea5b75dc@melontraffickers.cix. If the OP had
*not* broken this term of the contract they would have made no extra
earnings.Melonwrote in
nbsp;news:8ad9bdb5fb453d114954ef61ea5b75dc@melontraffickers.Melonwrote in message
nbsp;news:8ad9bdb5fb453d114954ef61ea5b75dc@melontraffickers.Melonwrote in message
nbsp;news:8ad9bdb5fb453d114954ef61ea5b75dc@melontraffickers.
nbsp;
nbsp;You have deprived them of the earnings that they would have made had
nbsp;you not
nbsp;broken this term of the contract.
nbsp;gt;.uk
(Stephen Maudsley) wrote:

nbsp;
nbsp;News Userwrote in message
nbsp;news:Xns936F8FE7ABD98BLANK@195.
nbsp;A.I've noticed that offers some 'day returns' and
'weekend specials' that are much cheaper than single from Dover to
Calais, so I could save quite a bit of money by buying one of those,
not using the return journey, and getting a single from Calais to
Dover later.
nbsp;gt;gt;* Could they legally (in the UK) charge my credit card for the
nbsp;gt;gt;difference, or would they have to sue me for it?
nbsp;gt;If you have paid with a credit card, charging the debt to the card
nbsp;gt;would be the usual way to recover it. but IANAL

There is certainly a camera at registration plate height at the checkin so
either a computer reads the plate or the checkin person logs it.
nbsp;But their TCs say 'For return bookings failure to complete both
nbsp;outward and return journeys invalidates your booking and you will be
nbsp;liable to pay for the journey completed, the difference the price and
nbsp;the relevant applicable single fare.

On Fri, 02 May 2003 14:51:28 +0100, nightja wrote:nbsp;gt;* Could they legally (in the UK) charge my credit card for the
nbsp;gt;difference, or would they have to sue me for it?
nbsp;
nbsp;If you have paid with a credit card, charging the debt to the card would be
nbsp;the usual way to recover it.
nbsp;gt;
nbsp;Eurotunnel don't go from Dover! But see below .
Such things as throwing away the return portion are quite frequently done
with ferry and, most of all ,airline bookings.

Although the charge is not going to stick if I contest it.
nbsp;
nbsp;But their TCs say 'For return bookings failure to complete both
nbsp;outward and return journeys invalidates your booking and you will be
nbsp;liable to pay for the journey completed, the difference the price and
nbsp;the relevant applicable single fare. Their contracts specifically authorise this. It is difficult to see
how his absence on the return journey causes them any more harm than they
have already suffered.222.'
nbsp;* Is this an 'unfair contract term' which would be invalid?

I doubt it, as you would be in breach of the conditions of the contract you
have entered into with the company, that you would make both trips within a
particular period.
nbsp;.

But liable to pay for the journey completed is not the same as authorising
a CC payment.

In article , nightjar ()
wrote:

nbsp;
nbsp;A.

Colin Bignell

nightjar wrote:
nbsp;A.
nbsp;
nbsp;* Could they legally (in the UK) charge my credit card for the
nbsp;difference,

Yes.

And if I reported it as fraud to my cc co, what would happen?Bearing in
mind that they would have to prove on the balance of probabilities that I
did not make the journey back.co.Melonwrote in message
nbsp;gt;news:8ad9bdb5fb453d114954ef61ea5b75dc@melontraffickers.co.Melonwrote in message
nbsp;gt;news:8ad9bdb5fb453d114954ef61ea5b75dc@melontraffickers.
nbsp;* Do they actually keep track of these things and try to enforce this?
nbsp;gt;
nbsp;Yes, frequently.

nbsp;or would they have to sue me for it?
nbsp;
nbsp;* Do they actually keep track of these things and try to enforce this?

Yes.'
nbsp;
nbsp;* Is this an 'unfair contract term' which would be invalid?
nbsp;* Could they legally (in the UK) charge my credit card for the
nbsp;difference, or would they have to sue me for it?
nbsp;
nbsp;* Do they actually keep track of these things and try to enforce this?
nbsp;
nbsp;* Has anyone tried it recently? What happened?
nbsp;
nbsp;* Has this ever been tested in UK courts?

I don't know for sure, but I reckon this is unfair (maybe not in a a strict
legal sense).Melonwrote in message
nbsp;news:8ad9bdb5fb453d114954ef61ea5b75dc@melontraffickers.com.

nbsp;* Could they legally (in the UK) charge my credit card for the
nbsp;difference, or would they have to sue me for it?

If you have paid with a credit card, charging the debt to the card would be
the usual way to recover it.

-=^OmeN^=-wrote in message
news:1nLcriv0fps+EwUZ@preston-couriers.8. Duh.com:
nbsp;I've noticed that offers some 'day returns' and
nbsp;'weekend specials' that are much cheaper than single from Dover to
nbsp;Calais, so I could save quite a bit of money by buying one of those,
nbsp;not using the return journey, and getting a single from Calais to
nbsp;Dover later.

nbsp;* Do they actually keep track of these things and try to enforce this?

Yes, frequently.com.
nbsp;gt;gt;
nbsp;gt;So best not to pay by credit or debit card then. You are not the first person to notice the difference in
fares.com:
nbsp;gt;
nbsp;I've noticed that offers some 'day returns' and
nbsp;'weekend specials' that are much cheaper than single from Dover to
nbsp;Calais, so I could save quite a bit of money by buying one of those,
nbsp;not using the return journey, and getting a single from Calais to
nbsp;Dover later.com.

If they are then implicitly agreeing that a passenger has the right to
waste the place they have paid for on two journeys, why doesn't he have
the right to waste it on just one journey?

In message , Harry the Horse writes
nbsp;gt;nightjar wrote:
nbsp;gt;A.
nbsp;gt;
nbsp;But their TCs say 'For return bookings failure to complete both
nbsp;outward and return journeys invalidates your booking and you will be
nbsp;liable to pay for the journey completed, the difference the price
nbsp;and
nbsp;the relevant applicable single fare.
The card company in turn have to deny the charging company their money and
for them remains only to sue in a civil case.com.
. Never heard about any
complications involved.'
nbsp;
nbsp;* Is this an 'unfair contract term' which would be invalid?

No.I would suggest the retrospective charge could be
nbsp;claimed
nbsp;(by you) from the card issuer if they tried to charge you, and if they
nbsp;tried to sue you, what do they sue you for?They would have not made
nbsp;a
nbsp;loss (since you paid for two journeys, but you only used one, leaving
nbsp;them
nbsp;with spare capacity on the train).
Best not to travel at all then.

In article ,
-=^OmeN^=-wrote:

nbspO Ferries charge you more money if you pay cash, to get around that
nbsp;loophole, not sure bout the tunnel, it's way tooooooo expensive so I
nbsp;never use it.8.you can equally well argue the converse. You are not the first person to notice the difference
nbsp;in
nbsp;fares.fsnet.

News Userwrote in message
news:Xns936F8FE7ABD98BLANK@195.
nbsp;gt;So best not to pay by credit or debit card then.co. You are not the first person to notice the difference
nbsp;in
nbsp;fares.
nbsp;On another group someone reported a case where they had done this (it may
nbsp;have been a ferry rather than Eurotunnel, but same difference) and
nbsp;received a warning letter asking them not to do it again.P

Jonathan Bryce wrote:
nbsp;
nbsp;gt;wrote:
nbsp;
nbsp;If you have paid with a credit card, charging the debt to the card would
nbsp;be the usual way to recover it.
nbsp;* Do they actually keep track of these things and try to enforce this?
nbsp;
nbsp;Yes, frequently.
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